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narrator: today on paternity court... you had sex with his cousin again last month? and he had sex with my cousin again, three months ago. why you all traipsing around in the family? why you keep sleeping with her cousin? all right, i admit... it's a different cousin. two things with two of her cousins... you have five children, potentially, together. when i met her, she was pregnant by another guy. the tit for tat, it just turns into a catastrophe! (crying) i just wanna know... can you just tell him that he is the father? you may be seated. hello, your honor. this is the case of douglas v. jones. thank you. you're welcome. good day, everyone. all right. miss douglas. you are suing the father of your five children for a paternity test. you claim at times the defendant, mr. jones,
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doesn't treat your daughter, cheyanne, as his own, and that he has always been suspicious that he's not her biological father. you admit that you kept a secret from him and you cheated on him with his cousin... (audience exclaiming) but say when that secret finally came out, he immediately denied fathering your daughter. you've also petitioned the court to order mr. jones to take parenting classes. now, mr. jones. you say you wanted to be a family man, and worked two jobs to support your kids, but now you are fed up with ms. douglas' lies and infidelity. you claim you have every reason to doubt you are cheyanne's father. you are seeking a definitive answer when today's dna results are revealed. now, ms. douglas. you admit to cheating. do you believe the defendant has reason to doubt the paternity of cheyanne? yes, your honor, i do, because i did made a mistake, i slept with his cousin,
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and the condom had broke, but before that, tyrone was downstairs sleeping with my cousin. and he was still having sex with his baby's mom. he was doin' him, basically, but yeah, i did. that was a mouthful! you made a mistake and slept with his cousin... yeah. but he was downstairs sleeping with your cousin? yes, and more. i don't cheat, i don't believe in cheating, i'm very faithful. but yes, he does, him, all the time. yeah. wow! i want to find out how this relationship began, before it got to sleeping with all the cousins... how did you meet? douglas: i met tyrone... was this relationship ever good? it got good. i met tyrone, actually, at a party that happened downstairs in my building. i met him and his cousin, almost the same night. me and tyrone got together the first night, we watched movies. the next night we did have sex, but we weren't "together." we were just... we just had sex and after that he went back to his...
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to his other baby's mom. and then i met his cousin, and i did, yes, i slept with his cousin, but we weren't "together," so yeah, i slept with his cousin, but... after that i found out i was pregnant, i called him and i told him i was pregnant. he was basically like, "okay," so i'm like, "okay." i just never brought it back to his attention, so i'm practically mom and dad, so i didn't pay no attention that he really didn't care. but a week before i had my daughter, he was actually there. he signed the birth certificate, and after that, he was a good dad. judge lake: all right, now, mr. jones... is that a good account of what your relationship was? jones: i mean, sort of. we actually was in a relationship at the time she slept with my cousin. but she basically just denied doing it up until the point... that's the reason we here now. okay. what did you feel, mr. jones, when you heard ms. douglas say, "i'm pregnant and it's yours." i wasn't too sure about it when she told me. but i'm like, "okay," when she did tell me.
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i'm like, "okay, i'll, basically, i'm gonna step up and do what i gotta do." so you did try to support her through this? yeah, i actually did. i'm looking at you, ms. douglas, you're saying, "i didn't feel supported." no, not at all, and let's go back to the cousin part, like, when i did sleep with his cousin. i was gonna deny the whole thing, but he actually went in my room and actually smelled the bed, and actually said it smelled like his cousin. his cousin's cologne, i hope! douglas: yes, but... i was gonna deny it, i was actually telling the truth. yeah, his cousin was there, and he was just watching tv. so at first i was just gonna deny it, but... i ended up telling him the truth, though. after my daughter was two, i ended up telling him the truth. so you go in, you smell, you know the cologne, your cousin... you say, "okay, i know my cousin was here," but she denied everything. everything, everything. how long did it take you to tell the truth? two years. after my daughter was two years old. okay, so, you are in this... are you in a committed relationship? no. no. judge lake: you're just going along for the baby's sake. mmm-hmm. but when i was pregnant, he didn't care. he did not care at all.
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judge lake: did you care? i mean, i cared, but it was just to the point to where, when i met her, she was pregnant by another guy, who was actually incarcerated at the time, but she was also messing around with another guy who wasn't the father of the child she was pregnant with. was there any part of you that was excited? did you... i mean, it was, 'cause i actually was there... numerous of times during her pregnancy. it was just in the mix that i had kids already. so, i wasn't there like i should've been, knowing that she was pregnant with my child, 'cause i wasn't really sure at the time. all right. so the baby's born. douglas: the baby's born, and when the baby was two, he went to chicago with his other baby's momma. we were together then, and i'm pregnant with his son. he went to chicago, we didn't hear from him for about four months. didn't call and check up on his daughter, didn't call and check up on the pregnancy or nothing. "oh, you looking for your man? he's with me. "you wonder why he's not calling your daughter? 'cause he's with me." that's how i knew he was in chicago. were you with another one of your children's mother when you...
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...went to chicago like she's saying? yeah, i actually was. 'cause i was actually with my other baby's mom, before i was actually with alexandra. okay... douglas: it's confusing. it's very confusing. but now we're supposed to be together, he still talks to other people and his baby's mom, and i'm not doing nothing. okay. as i read the statement this morning... i recall saying you had five children? yes, your honor. yeah. judge lake: it's as if you speaking about this thing like it's, "oh, yeah, 'cause i was with my other child's mother, "and i just went on to chicago, and then he went there..." i mean, what? you have five children, potentially, together! was your relationship ever committed? was it ever an important thing to either one of you?
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are we just making babies? is it a baby factory? what is it? after i had my daughter... it's like, he was basically playing me. we weren't together, so i'm like, "anything you can do, i can do better." so, but after i had my son, that's when we actually started getting together. like, i was being faithful to him. i thought he was being faithful to me, but it was nothing like that. i would get played. i would sit at home with the kids, he'd be in chicago doing him. i want to be with him to death, but he can't stop talking to other people. he can't. judge lake: you had sex with his cousin again last month? and he had sex with my cousin again, three months ago. she was also in a relationship with other people. you disrespecting the kids too, that's the family. you say that that's my child, and you say you going back to the same cousin, who was there from day one, that made me have these doubts. how could you continue to do that? judge lake: it has been determined, mr. jones... you... whatever you say you may feel...
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you had the courage enough to walk in here, today, to get the truth.
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if so, call toll-free, 855-tv-dna-23. that's 855-883-6223. you made a mistake and slept with his cousin, but he was downstairs sleeping with your cousin? yes. after that i found out i was pregnant, i called him and i told him i was pregnant.
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she basically just denied doing it. that's the reason we're here now. you have five children, potentially, together! even after child number two, you think he's cheating. yeah. i just had my twins seven months ago. he's still talking to women. (audience exclaiming) i don't never talk to anybody first. after i find out he cheats on me, that's when i do it. but i really do want to be with him, and i want to make a family for my five kids. now, ms. douglas, you just keep saying, "okay, now, i do not believe in cheating. "i do not believe in cheating. "but when he does this, then i go do that." now, at some point, the tit for tat, it just turns into a catastrophe! i mean, are you two supposed to be trying to be in a relationship right now? we was, but yesterday he was texting a girl on facebook, writing a girl on facebook. we supposed to be together, we working on us for our kids, and you're writing somebody on facebook? and now he's trying to say, well, now he said, "um, i don't even know if i should get a dna test for the twins, "'cause you had sex with somebody when you were pregnant with my twins." when i was pregnant with your twins.
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so how is that, how is that their baby? she actually slept with that person last month. my twins is only six months, or seven months... and he had sex with my cousin before i had sex with his cousin last month. it's always him that starts. so, wait a minute, now. you had sex with his cousin again last month? and he had sex with my cousin again, three months ago. before i did it. (audience exclaiming) okay. you said you don't believe in cheating... douglas: no, i don't. why are you doing it, then? when i cheat on him, it's with the same person. because i wanna get back. i'm not gonna sit around and be played, like i said. when i cheat on him, it's with one person. what i'm trying to understand is, and this is in no way, this is in no way condoning mr. jones' actions, i'll deal with him in a minute... but how in the world can you have five children that you believe are by a man, and every time he does something that betrays your trust, you sleep with his cousin, or do something to get back at him,
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and yet you say you want to be in a relationship with him. it doesn't make sense! (audience applauding) that's what i'm thinking. now don't you go co-signing! jones: i mean... don't you go co-signing, because you're next! yeah? how in the world can you potentially have five children with this woman? and be so irresponsible and disrespectful, that you continue to sleep with her family member... jones: no... douglas: my favorite cousin. my favorite cousin! no, let me correct something, that's not your favorite cousin. now it ain't. judge lake: the day she laid down with the supposed father of your children, she's no longer your favorite cousin. let me give you that. mmm-hmm. i know. the day you go do that, you have not just disrespected your would-be-girlfriend, the potential mother of your five children, you're disrespecting the kids, too. that's the family. that's their family!
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they have to go to holidays in that family. they have to play with their other little cousins in that family. why you all traipsing around in the family? why you keep sleeping with her cousin? jones: it's like this... you say that that's my child, and you say you going back to the same cousin, who was there from day one, that made me have these doubts. how could you continue to do that? you living your life as a mare right now. basically, every time i do something, you gotta go do it. okay, yeah, so i slept with his cousin a month ago. after that, we both made a vow to each other, that we're done. that there's no more of it. judge lake: okay. i kept my promise. i have not done nothing. he's doing everything, just like i said, yesterday on facebook, he's talking to girls. i have not done nothing. i really do want to be with him. and it just doesn't look like he want to be with me. he says it, but obviously that's not what it is. he don't wanna be with me. and he should be a man and say that. i had two things with two of her cousins... i tried so hard... and i really do wanna be with him. we have five kids. i just wanna know... can you just tell him that he is the father?
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judge lake: it has been determined, mr. jones... you... whatever you say you may feel... you had the courage enough to walk in here today to get the truth.
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if so, call toll-free, 855-tv-dna-23. that's 855-883-6223. you had sex with his cousin again last month?
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and he had sex with my cousin again, three months ago. she was also in a relationship with other people. now, at some point, the tit for tat, it just turns into a catastrophe! what do you want? i do want to be with her, but... judge lake: do you really? yeah, i do. i honestly do. now, let's ask him why he keeps cheating. why? i have not done... why did you write somebody on facebook yesterday? we're together, we're supposed to be on a little trip to ourselves. and you're texting somebody on facebook? judge lake: why? basically, she started writing me, and i'm like, "okay, i'll just respond." i just responded to the texts. douglas: but on facebook, it says we're engaged, so no other woman want to write him on facebook. we're engaged on facebook. i mean but, look at me. you can't blame 'em. oh, my goodness... douglas: i just play detective too much. that's my problem. mr. jones. yes, your honor? judge lake: that was great comic relief, but let's be very honest here. (audience laughing) okay. judge lake: let's be very honest here. it sounds like, to me, you keep stringing ms. douglas along,
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with the little carrot, giving her this feeling that one day, one day, you're just gonna go ahead and commit to her. and every time it's all said and done, and you all are through with each other, and in the bed with each other's cousins, next thing you know, you all back together again, and in the mess again. you got her thinking now, she got engaged on her facebook! yeah? and you sitting up here talking about you don't know what you wanna do. jones: i mean, 'cause... judge lake: how does one person think they engaged, and the other person don't know what they gonna do? jones: i don't know, but at the same time... i never heard of such! you don't question any engagement, actually... so what do you wanna do? do you wanna be with me? actually... actually, if you been sleeping with one of my cousins as of last month. jones: and you talk about engagement... wow! you did the same exact thing! it really don't make sense. how could you even be in a committed relationship with me, if i have doubts because you say you going back with the same cousin,
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which the whole reason i'm here is for the paternity! oh, because you switched up cousins, it's okay, basically, right? all right. i admit... douglas: it's a different cousin. i had two things with two of her cousins... which, all right. but it's not like i'm here to question the paternity of their kids. i'm here to... oh, well, how big of you. jones: it's different. i mean... you didn't bring all the family and make it a family reunion! i mean, i'm just saying, it isn't like her cousins is standing on the podium right next to me and i'm here to be questioned about the paternity of their kids. 'cause it's not, that's not even a question... when it comes back that he is the father, i just wish he would get some parenting classes, so he could be a good dad to all his kids. well, speaking of that, let's find out the results. jerome, can you hand me the envelope, please? certainly, your honor. here you go. judge lake: on that issue of parenting classes, i need to ask you a few things. how often are you involved with your children? every day. judge lake: every day? every day. douglas: except when he's out with the girls...
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or except when i'm at work, your honor. judge lake: okay. there are instances when a court can order parenting classes. but i haven't heard testimony today that would substantiate any reason why i need to order mr. jones to parenting class. what i do feel is necessary, is to advise and encourage you both to attend family and parenting classes together. the court is concerned about your relationship, to the extent that it affects the kids. mmm-hmm. so, i am not quite certain you two really need to be together. (audience exclaiming) it's just a lot going on, and messy in the family. and i don't know how you all are going to be a couple, and then have to go to thanksgiving dinner, and christmas, and the cousins are there... i don't know how that's going to work! however, it's not for this court to figure out.
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what i just need to help you figure out, is whether or not you can parent together, whether or not you're in a relationship. okay? you seem emotional, ms. douglas. what are you feeling? (sniffling) i tried so hard... and i really do wanna be with him. we have five kids that want us both in the household, and it just doesn't seem that it's gonna be like that. my daughter is everything... he means everything to my daughter. i just wanna know... can you just tell him that he is the father? so, the results now will determine whether you have four children together, or five. in the case of douglas v. jones... when it comes to four-year-old cheyanne... it has been determined, mr. jones...
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you... whatever you say you may feel... you had the courage enough to walk in here today to get the truth. narrator: promotional consideration provided by... unisom sleeptabs help you fall asleep 33% faster and wake refreshed. unisom. a stressful day deserves a restful night.
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g) and wake refreshed. i tried so hard... and i really do wanna be with him. we have five kids. i just wanna know... can you just tell him that he is the father?
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so, the results now will determine whether you have four children together, or five. these results, as prepared by dna diagnostics, are as follows... in the case of douglas v. jones... when it comes to four-year-old cheyanne... mr. jones... you are... not the father. (audience exclaiming) (douglas sniffling) she knew this from the beginning. douglas: no, i didn't... now i'm embarrassed that i've faced public humiliation because she didn't want to be honest before we came here. your honor. i didn't know. i didn't even know the condom busted! you knew, mare! you knew! i didn't even know the condom busted! how would i know if he's not the father
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when we're sleeping together every day? how would i know? she told me, "no. i have no doubts. "this is your daughter." 'cause i didn't. i didn't at all. my daughter acts just like him. and looks just like him to me. and now my daughter ain't gonna have a dad. jones: no, she gonna have a dad. that's what's hurting me the most... now, mr. jones, you are the biological father to four, and i want you to be man enough, if necessary, to be the daddy to five. (audience applauding) you walked into this courtroom loving this little girl. it is perfectly okay to walk out loving her just the same. that's great, because i do. i actually do. it's like, to me... that won't really even change the fact that i still want her to be my kid.
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i still love her. i'm proud of you. no matter what happens from this day forward, you remember that. and you think of that little girl. she thinks the world of you. don't let her down. okay? yeah. court is adjourned. (audience applauding) jerome: come on with me. (douglas sobbing) go ahead over here and have a seat. heartburn. aw, come on. [ male announcer ] rolaids gives you rapid relief and neutralizes 44% more acid than tums. [ fieri ] rolaids -- that's how you spell relief.
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narrator: today on paternity court... had you cheated? you slept with my best friend and my brother. ms. guerin, how did you end up with his best friend? we were drinking and he made me feel pretty. she's a whore. you're sitting up there and you got a cute face but you got ugly ways. i cut the cord. i've been there since day one taking care of this baby and this woman. you allowed him to believe that he was the father of this child knowing in your mind that maybe he wasn't.
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yes. lauren lake: that's correct? (audience exclaiming) correct. (audience cheering) (theme music playing) you may be seated. hello, your honor, this is the case of deggs vs. guerin. thank you. you're welcome. good day, everyone. mr. deggs, you are here today hoping you are the biological father of the defendant's three year old son, jaycen. you have petitioned the court for paternity tests because you claim your ex, ms. guerin, first led you to believe that you were jaycen's dad but when the baby was six months old, she confessed that you may not be the biological father. you say jaycen is the most important thing in your life and you are praying the results today turn out in your favor. yes, ma'am. now, ms. guerin, you admit you slept with another man
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at the time your son was conceived but you say that was only after the plaintiff strayed. you too are unsure about your son's paternity and are desperate for today's results. now, mr. deggs, when did you first find out ms. guerin cheated on you? we were together about a year. mmm-hmm. at the time, we were moving out of my best friend's apartment. and it was just about that i got the truck loaded up with everything and i went upstairs to grab my last box and my best friend at the time pulled me aside and told me, him and my brother had both slept with meghan. (audience gasps) lake: what? deggs: i was hurt. they both? deggs: they both. your honor, he cheated in the very beginning of our relationship. it was even before we were a month together when he first cheated. ms. guerin, before you get to what he did, i want to know is it true? yes, it is true. i do admit that i did do those things. i did cheat on him with his best friend and his brother. oh! guerin: i was very young at the time.
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ms. guerin, how did you end up with his best friend? well, honestly, it just happened. i didn't do it out of spite towards him or anything. it's not because i'm a bad person. at the time i was lacking affection from him. he was never home, he was always... i work, your honor, i work full time to make sure that her nails and her hair get done... after he would get off work he never came home. to make sure she was happy. what do you want me to do? and he left me in the apartment all the time with a roommate that he knew... 'cause i was working. ...was attracted to me and wanted to be with me. and so, you did what? you're home and the best friend's home. well, we were drinking and he was showing interest in me. he made me feel pretty and was giving me everything at the time that jason was not. was actually being a friend... deggs: because i was at work. in that one day at work he gave you everything mr. deggs never gave you? no. i did not say that. deggs: your honor, i loved her. she was my childhood sweetheart. i loved this girl. if that was the case then he wouldn't have cheated and said that he was going to leave me for his ex-girlfriend. that wasn't true. yes, it is true.
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that wasn't true at all. all right, so, ms. guerin, did you regret it? or you just felt like... guerin: yes. i'm so glad he thinks i'm cute? no, absolutely i regretted it. it was awkward to know that i was keeping something from my boyfriend. but she slept with my brother too. yes, after... you slept with my best friend and my brother. lake: oh! so, okay, twice the pain? lake: ms. guerin? yes. please tell the court how did you end up with his brother too? his brother... i was really young at the time and the... you keep talking about how young you were. well, if you were so young you shouldn't have been sleeping with everybody. (audience cheering) guerin: okay. (audience applauding) okay. that's fair enough. now, how did you end up sleeping with his brother? that's fair enough. it was an attraction, it was... he was paying me the attention that jason was not. because i was at work. guerin: i felt replaceable to jason. what did you want me to do? i felt replaceable to him. so yes, i did look for affection and everything i want in a relationship in somebody else. i moved you in. you paid nothing. you were taken care of. you worked for a newspaper. you did. you moved out of your mom's. yeah, i did work for the newspaper. so you were like barely making it in our apartment. but still...
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okay! but i still made sure... (banging gavel) all right, let's get some order. let me understand this. so, after he slept with... she's a whore. (audience exclaiming) lake: all right. you two might not know... she slept with my brother. ...how to respect each other outside of the courtroom. but in this courtroom, we must remain respectful. deggs: yes, your honor. now, after you found out ms. guerin slept with your best friend and your brother... deggs: mmm-hmm. surely, you were done with her. guerin: he still stayed. no, no, your honor. i loved her that much that i wanted to work on it again. why? because i loved her that much. yes. okay. i loved you. had you cheated? not until after. that's when i strayed. when you slept with my best friend and my brother is when i strayed. i realize, mr. deggs, maybe you cheated as well. however, uh, that would not affect the paternity of the child we're talking about. so, i want to get to the point
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of when you realized that you were pregnant. guerin: when i found out i was pregnant, um, we had a lot of problems at that time. we had already cheated on each other. and then, i met somebody else that was taking care of me and... i ended up sleeping with him while i was with jason. when you gave birth to the child he was there? guerin: yes, he was there. deggs: i was there. i cut the cord. i've been there since day one taking care of this baby and this woman. (audience applauding) since day one, your honor, i was there. and then she has the nerve to wait? mr. deggs, you thought that this child was yours? guerin: something. yes, your honor, i sure did. lake: no doubts in your mind? you were going about your life? deggs: no doubts at all. make the family that i never had. he was always telling me how much of a cheater i was. how... how bad i was... everything, you're just... yeah, because i was still hurt. okay. but, i was trying to... lake: okay?
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do you understand why he was hurt, ms. guerin? i'm not the only one that cheated in this relationship. lake: i know, but... i've had to deal with so many different women. but you're the one that's here with a paternity issue regarding the child in question and you're the one that slept with his brother and his best friend. (audience applauding) and... you were the only one during the entire pregnancy that knew that there was doubt as to whether he was the father. so you got to understand at least why he could be a little hurt. guerin: of course. i had a rough childhood. i wanted to be daddy. i just want to say that i did decide not to tell jason right away because i did want the family, i did believe that jason was going to be a great dad and... i am a great dad. i'm a great dad right now! how important is this baby to you? you said you didn't have a great childhood. how important is the baby to you?
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the baby is the most important... in my life that... the most important thing in my life that's ever been important to me. lake: it has been determined by this court... mr. deggs... lake: you... how are you going to break my heart like that? you allowed him to believe that he was the father of this child, knowing that maybe he wasn't. what is it? am i the dad or am i not? i'm going to tell you what i think as a woman. now, you're sitting up there and you got a cute face but you got ugly ways. deggs: i love that little boy. you love your free time and all the women that you love to go hang out with. no! you love your free time and hanging out with this dude here. jerome, escort her out. (audience cheering)
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ouncer reading) if so, call toll free... (reading) you slept with my best friend and my brother. i was really young at the time. well, if you were so young you shouldn't have been sleeping with everybody. i cut the cord. i've been there since day one taking care of this baby and this woman. during the entire pregnancy and for six months after that you allowed him to believe that he was the father of this child, knowing in your mind, that maybe he wasn't? that's correct? that is correct.
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lake: mr. deggs... now take me to that day where...unfortunately you got that bomb dropped on you. i think we were in an argument, and out of nowhere she throws it at me, "you're probably not even the daddy of jaycen, anyway." no, i did not throw it at him like that. i crumbled right there. i started to cry. i would never do that. what? you told me after this long that i'm not the daddy when we're in an argument? deggs: what is it? am i the dad or am i not? how are you going to break my heart like that? (scoffs) deggs: i love that little boy. and i know what it's like not having a dad there. so i want to be everything that i could be. guerin: you love your free time and all the women that you like to go hang out with more than our son. no! you love your free time and hanging out with this dude here. because you left jaycen for three months with your mom and me. why? because he can provide better. because he's better for... so that i could take care of him... guerin: i never left my son. (deggs talks indistinctly) you guys moved and left. (banging gavel) lake: let's get some order. i just want to state that i have never ever left my son and abandoned him ever. lake: so, mr. deggs and ms. guerin,
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we need to go forward in our conversation. because i'm trying to understand from you both... the reason why i didn't want to tell him right away, your honor, is because i was truly at, um, a horrible place in knowing what i did. but the reaction that i got from him, he was happy and we wanted a family, we were together. i did stray away from the relationship... but now you got this... and i felt... can you please let me talk for a second? i let you say what you wanted to say. let her talk mr. deggs, let her talk. i did feel like we could build a family together. guerin: and then, yes, i did have to tell him because i was struggling with it myself... of the truth. it bothered me a lot! so, you're not just that cold and callous. guerin: absolutely not. it was bugging you? absolutely. it was more trying to get it off my chest. so, after she told you this, mr. deggs, and she was just honest and laid it out there... deggs: mmm-hmm. were you torn? yeah. lake: or were you instantly just done with it? and i expected as much. (deggs stuttering) i was torn. if i'm the father, it bothered me every day. you know? i had so many different feelings.
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guerin: yeah, but you weren't man enough to do anything about it. lake: what did you end up deciding? i still stayed with her. i stayed with her... lake: you stayed with her, again? deggs: again. again i stayed with her, moved us into a house, was working again. okay, i want to hear from you, miss marshall. please stand up. yes, your honor. thank you for joining us today. now please tell us what you have to add to this. um, your honor, i've known jason since we were 13 years old. he's been one of my best friends and then yes, we started dating. the minute we started dating, all the problems came. meghan would blow up his phone. she'd text him and was like, "you better keep your job, honey. "'cause all i want is your money." i never have ever, ever said that. and she was like, "all i want is your money. all you need to do is go to work." guerin: (scoffs) i made my own money, honey. why? i have no... i don't know. i really don't. i never had a run in with her. i never said nothing rude to her. i wasn't nasty towards her. guerin: how can i not like somebody i didn't know? marshall: i mean it was constant, constant, con... jason and i ended up breaking up because i just couldn't... i couldn't do that to him. guerin: 'cause you cheated on him. because you cheated on him.
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why don't you tell the truth? couldn't do that to jaycen. lake: so, basically, you're here today because you feel as if jason, mr. deggs, is a better parent than ms. guerin? one hundred percent. guerin: oh, my god. one hundred percent. lake: thank you, you may be seated. lake: ms. guerin? yes? this is complicated. because you have a new boyfriend and you say he's also stepped up to be a father. absolutely, he's stepped up beyond my expectations of... deggs: oh, please. okay. he's done more than jason... lake: all right, i'm gonna need your witness. mr. felton, please stand now. deggs: yeah let's meet the new wannabe dad. lake: so we can hear your testimony from the podium instead of the chair. when it comes to baby jaycen deggs it has been determined by this court mr. deggs... you... you're sitting up there and you got a cute face but you got ugly ways. i do things that a father is supposed to do. i want to be in jaycen's life. i love jaycen. i can't even look at you no more. jerome, escort her out. (audience cheering)
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(announcer reading) if so, call toll free... (reading) i crumbled right there. i started to cry. am i the dad or am i not? deggs: i love that little boy. so i wanted to be everything that i could be. you love your free time and all the women that you love to go hang out with more than our son. no! you love your free time and hanging out with this dude here. mr. felton, please stand now. so we can hear your testimony from the podium instead of the chair. yes, your honor. all right. in your statement to the court you actually said that you've been the father to this child. even though there's no chance you're the biological father. but you're saying that you are the man that stepped up. i do things that a father is supposed to do. i never try and take the place of his biological father because i am not his biological father. (audience applauding) and what is it that you do for the child? i take care of him, um...
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you know, when meghan's working, if i have a day off, then, of course, i'm taking care of him. if he needs to go to an appointment or something i make sure he gets there. he's fun to be around. of course, he's a three year old and he tests your patience sometimes but... i know all about that. (chuckling) well, thank you so much for your testimony. you may be seated. yes, your honor. okay, what do you want from this, ms. guerin? do you want mr. deggs to be the father? for me right now, no. i don't... i do not want jason to be the father because every weekend it's drama. it's another girl. mr. deggs, what do you want from today? i want to be in jaycen's life. i love jaycen. guerin: no. with all my heart and soul. yes, of course. lake: in every way? in every way. lake: and if he's not? if he's not... then it's going to be really hard for me. jerome, i think it's time for the results. here we go, your honor. mmm-hmm. guerin: so ready.
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lake: these results were prepared by dna diagnostics. in the case of deggs vs. guerin, when it comes to baby jaycen deggs... mr. deggs... you... ...are not the father. (audience groans) (audience applauding) guerin: and that's for the best. honestly, it's for the best. because he has only stayed this long, so that he could get whatever benefit he's getting out of it. benefit? what benefit am i getting out of this? lake: wait, wait, wait, wait. taking care of a three year old child. lake: i am disgusted
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that you would perpetrate this lie on this man during your entire pregnancy up through a delivery room, let him cut the cord on a baby i know, you know good and well that wasn't his child. i could tell by the look on your face today. he was more nervous than you were. sometimes, i have to get up here as a judge and give what i think but right now, i'm going to tell you what i think as a woman. now, you're sitting up there and you got a cute face but you got ugly ways. (audience cheering) lake: that...was wrong! and i feel like you have not wholeheartedly acknowledged to this man that you purposefully deceived him and allowed him to get attached to a baby that you can see your own new boyfriend, mr. felton loves. but you let him invest his heart and soul and his money and his time and then you sit up in front of this court and in front of me as a woman and suggest, "oh, you just did that to get what you wanted to get out of it."
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what does he want to get out of it? with still trying to be involved with me... and also being... (audience booing) lake: oh! i should have known! yes. that's a huge part of it. guerin: it's a huge part of it. i should've known it was gonna be about you! (audience applauding) it's not about me. it's not about me. now, you're standing here and the only one emotional and on the brink of tears is him. guerin: because i'm excited, your honor. i'm excited i don't have to deal with all the drama that comes with it. i am! i do not get anything from this man except for a problem. lake: and once again! who is it about? it's about my son and that's why i'm here. lake: who is it about? no, no, no, you just said, "you're excited 'cause you don't have to deal with the drama." i haven't heard you say once, that, you know, "my son did know him as a father. "i've got to figure out how to make this transition." you haven't said one mothering thing up here, since you got the results. and that's not good enough. mr. deggs... you know i... i've paved my whole...
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my whole life around this child. and now to know that i'm not his father... kills me inside. it kills me inside. guerin: now you can move to california and do all the things that you said you wanted to do. (gavel banging) lake: when a man is expressing his pain, and i'm just trying to have one moment... a pain you caused! gavel all over the place. i'm talking about a pain you purposefully caused. he's just trying to tell me how he felt. but no! it's got to be about you again. look baby, you're gonna have to learn something. this world now... you're a mother. it's not about you. exactly. whether you want to admit it or not, your child has a love and attachment for this man. 'cause you made it so. let me tell you something... no. he could have left after six months. no. and then my son wouldn't have known him this long. listen. you know what? you know what? it is rare, that i have to do this. lake: but i can't even look at you no more. jerome, escort her out. (audience cheering) i'm done with her. see you later.
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lake: i'm done with her. lake: mr. deggs... step up to this bench. (sniffles) (crying) how am i supposed to say goodbye to him now? i know. that's all i've ever known to be my child. (sniffling) what am i going to do? i live for him. i've been living for him. announcer: promotional consideration provided by... unisom sleeptabs help you fall asleep 33% faster and wake refreshed. unisom. a stressful day deserves a restful night.
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(announcer reading) lake: mr. deggs, you are not the father. no you love your free time and hanging out with this dude here. jerome, escort her out. i'm done with you. see you later. how am i supposed to say goodbye to him now? i know. (deggs sobbing) mr. deggs. i don't know how i'm going to say goodbye to him, that's all i've ever known to be my child. what am i going to do now? i live for him. i've been living for him. (crying) lake: listen, listen. give me your hand. everything you've done thus far has been the right thing. that's all i've been trying to do is the right thing for him. if you feel like it's healthier for you to walk away... it's not healthy. i want to be there for him.
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i want to make sure he has everything right. 'cause she sure ain't right for him. then you can do that. you have to just learn how. and i know it will be difficult. and you know, even though you're not his biological father you are still an amazing presence in his life. a father figure. his daddy. and you just have to work through the situation. i know you love him enough. i do and i will. i can tell. you have a question, you call me. okay? thank you. you did the right thing. (audience applauding) heartburn. aw, come on. [ male announcer ] rolaids gives you rapid relief and neutralizes 44% more acid than tums. [ fieri ] rolaids -- that's how you spell relief.
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